It was a pleasure to talk to Elizabeth from Theos for this podcast (even if only 40 minutes of our 3 hour conversation made it in)! We talk about my childhood in the midlands, my ‘sacred’ values of freedom, family and community, and how Blair’s backing of faith schools in the late nineties felt like a disruption of destiny. The episode also covers the pressures on campaigning organisations around integrity, navigating adversarial situations productively and the sometimes unspoken challenges of being friends across divides.